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can somebody tell me if aquaponics can be certified as organic?

does anybody know of any organic certified aquaponics farms anywhere in the world?

greetings

frank

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Hi Frank,

The inhibitor to organic certification of Aquaponics is the food that we feed to the fish.......most commercial rations contain chemicals of some kind or the other.

If the fish food is organic, I can see no reason why Aquaponics ought not be organic. Having said that, I'm not aware of any certified organic Aquaponics systems.....anywhere.

Gary

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Thanks for a reply, Gary

it is obviuous that the food fed to the fish must be organic to receive certification, that is also the case for other animals.

Frank

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Hi,

I think the other barrier to organic certification is the "soil" thing. I'm not aware of any organically certified hydroponics or general aquaculture facilities either.

Gary

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Thanks,

As I walked in the supermarket, I found some herbs (parsley, basil, coriander,...) labeled as "BIO", which is the protected term for organic in Belgium, apparently hydroponically grown.

So hydroponics must be certifiable for herbs.

see swedeponic.com.

http://www.santamariaworld.com/europe/index.jsp

click on concepts, then on organic

greetings

frank

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See this page for a general introduction to Organic Certification (there are several bodies that do this). In principle there is no reason why aquaponically farmed fish can't be certified. Aquaculturally farmed fish can be.

Don't know of any currently certified Australian operations.... But a quick google found a Malaysian company attempting the certification process.

(From a science background) I find "organic" (carbon-based) a meaningless term, "natural" is too vague... "bio-dynamic".

Personally I'd trust fish/crustaceans and plants produced in an aquaponic system over an "organically certified" farm. The fish/crustaceans in our systems will tolerate little chemicals on the plants... and yabbies are very good indicators of water health.

(late edit) Found one!

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Hi,

Bingo! Thanks for that Sunnyside......it's the first certified aquaculture farm that I've seen.

Gary

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hi Gary and Sunnyside,

thanks for replying

but I would be careful in jumping to conclusions: in a first lookover, I have not found what certifying organisation is controlling this Malaysian company

Please correct me

it is too easy to proclaim yourself as saint

stating that te fish food can "even" be eaten by humans is hardly a proof that even the fish food is organic, less the final produce

some kind of control is imperative

greetings

frank

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Hi,

I must confess that, in terms of my own food production efforts, I'm not really interested in certification. For my purposes, it's just another layer of bureaucracy and additional costs.......it doesn't make the food I grow any cleaner or fresher.

I can, however, see that such certification programs would be important to people who buy their food in supermarkets or similar places.....and who rely on external agencies to assure them that their food is fit to eat.

Gary

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hi Gary and Sunnyside,

thanks for replying

but I would be careful in jumping to conclusions: in a first lookover, I have not found what certifying organisation is controlling this Malaysian company

Please correct me

Okay ;)

"“In many countries, including Malaysia, certification is a matter of legislation, and commercial use of the word “organicâ€, outside of the certification framework, is illegal,†said Chris Sharp, director for Organic Aquaculture Development, Fish Protech Pty Ltd. Sharp has been developing organic standards for the Fish Protech systems for the last two years.

Malaysia now has organic certification guidelines for plant-based foods but not for aquaculture products."

So, according to the quoted article, there is "no" organisation controlling organic certification of aquaculture in Malaysia. It's (sic) controlled by the government, and, as yet there is no legislation in place that allows for organic certification....

However the guidelines controlling certification as organic used by the organisations I linked to in the original post do not specifically prohibit the possibility of gaining organic certification for aquaculture/aquaponics in Australia. The quoted Mr Sharp might be able to help you with your enquiries. As could the NZ certified company I found. Unfortunately I don't have the time to help you further :( however, I believe RDIC and other government bodies are developing a framework for an Australian Certified Organic Prawn Farming industry....

NASA certification would certainly enhance export opportunities - or auction prices at the Sydney Fish Markets! But in my experience certification for traditional agriculture is very costly and time consuming. :(

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export should not be the goal of organic produce, that is contradictory to the spirit of sustainability

greets

frank

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As a concept, I understand what you mean Frank, but it would be much more responsible if we/every country exported only "clean and green" produce. At this very time we are seeing thousands of tonnes of fish dumped on Australia from China that is of the poorest quality. Prawns etc loaded with all manner of chemicals.

Our fish farmers would be "shot at dawn" if they conducted such farming practices.

We continue to be sucked in buying the "cheap imported rubbish".

The US has banned the stuff but our Gov is too slow moving.

It is not safe to buy "fresh" food anymore.

One of our supermarket chains needs all their staff to be issued with dictionaries so they can understand the meaning of "fresh” food.

If we could just get to "fresh" that would be good, let alone "Organic"......

The only way I can get "fresh" as far as I can see, is to grow it myself............"Viva Aquaponics"

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yesterday on one of our television channels there was a movie recounting the life of Henry Dunant, the instigator of the red cross

the political odds were entirely against him

but he succeeded in installing a neutral body which was and is capable of giving assistance to war victims, even if they belong to the warring parties

worldwide organic certification may be a very much less spectacular cause

but I think it is worth the effort

frank

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I am disappointed that we do not have more information on the fruit and vegetables we purchase from supermarkets. The produce should be better marked or tagged. I notice now that the supermarkets are supposed to state the country of source.

Last week I picked up some raw ginger and I discovered it was from China. I asked an attendant if we could get some Queensland grown ginger from Buderum. The attendant did not even know that we grow ginger here in Queensland.

Jim

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Its not super informative, but its always interesting to see how these things are explained, and to what market.

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Hi,

I looked briefly at one of the posts where someone called Trevor says....

I don't know who was the expert interviewed there but he's not correct when he said Hydroponics produce can be organic.

In fact, hydroponics can be organic.

Hydroponics, by definition is not organic since it uses refined minerals as nutrients.

Hydroponics is not, by definition, not organic.....and has nothing to do with using refined minerals as nutrients. Hydroponics is simply soilless gardening.

All the so called "organic nutrients" in the market are scams. There no such thing.

Not true! In any case, many hydroponic gardeners mix their own organic nutrients.

This is why you wouldn't find a single hydroponically produced product in the market that is certified as organic.

This has more to do with the politics of certification. Certification is not required to produce organic food.

To the best of my knowledge, all plants (hydroponic or organic) feed on inorganic salts. Organic plants don't feed on compost or manure but rather the inorganic chemical elements in those substances. Nitrogen is nitrogen.....potassium is potassium.....and phosphorus is phosphorus......regardless of where it comes from.

This is not an argument in favour of non-organic gardening over organic gardening but rather an attempt to offset some of the spin that emanates from the fringe lunatics of the organic movement.

Gary

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thanks for the tips

at least two Belgian companies are producing organic certified herbs through hydroponics

one of them is a organics division of swedeponics, a multinational specialised in condiments

see http://www.swedeponic.be

click on the belgian flag (the first) to find their address onthe right

greetings

frank

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Thanks Frank,

The site is very fancy but I could not find much actual info in there. I guess I was expecting to find farm photos and "How they do it all" but that is a bit unrealstic of me.

It is evidently happening around the world, Hydro becoming recognised as "Organic" so there is no reason why eventually Aqua can do the same. Someone will eventually "bite the bullet" and start down that road.

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that is exactly what I am trying to do

with caution, I don't want to get lead poisoning :) or :( whatever

I think we all have a common interest in getting the principles of aquaponics certified, whether we actually want certification or not (which is a totally different issue).

let's join forces and try to establish ground rules and get them accepted worldwide

now is the time !

greets

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After reading this thread and then using some of the sites mentioned there seems to be a fixation on organics being only attainable providing that soil is the growing medium. Both BFA & NASAA begin their description with a statement where it is only to be attached to soil based Farming, surely there must be a body who is able to look at other systems such as both Hydroponics and aquaponics, If this is not the case then we will have a long hard hill to climb. I never cease to be amazed at the short sightedness of the powers that be.:confused:

The only silly question is the one not asked!

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Doug.a

You are correct. I guess we will just have to wait until someone takes the time and puts in the effort to "climb the hill" Organic cert for aquaponics must happen one day, but I think it is a question of who will take it on.

In theory it should be fairly easy to get done, but as you point out, bureaucratic thinking has to be changed, which is never easy.

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Hi to all,

I have read a very interesting article on the possibilities that Hydroponics could be classified as Organic. I will endevour to find it and post it in this forum. It works on the idea that plants that are grown in soil, actually grow in the air pockets within the soil. The soil is there for plant support, nutrients and moisture retention.

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